Dr. Mercola: Welcome everyone, this is Doctor Mercola helping you take control of your health and we’re here today to continue the dialogue about the COVID 19 pandemic and what might have been the actual causal factors. We are joined today by Doctor Francis Boyle who was a previous guest. Doctor Boyle receives his law degree from Harvard and he has two other PhD’s there. He’s a professor of international law at the University of Illinois currently and he was responsible for drafting the biological weapons anti terrorism act of 1989. And he also serves as counsel for responsible, as an attorney for the counsel of responsible genetics, which I hold an enormous prestige because they were one of the first organizations that really highlighted the concerns and the dangers of GMO’s. So welcome and thank you for joining us, Doctor Boyle.
Dr. Boyle: Well thank you very much for having me on Doctor Mercola and my best to you and I do look forward to our continuing dialogue about this matter. You from your area of expertise and me from my area of expertise.
Dr. Boyle: Well, for college I went to the University of Chicago, which as you know is one of the top five universities in the country if not the world. And there I took their bio pre med sequence, which was biochemistry, population biology and genetics and got straight A’s. I was in there competing with all the University of Chicago bio pre med students for grades and my bio chem lab partner went to Harvard Medical School. And then I won the University of Chicago’s Sigma Zi award and prize in biology for my graduating year. They gave out one per year and it usually went to seniors, but in my case they had to make a special exception because I was a graduating junior.
So, yes I’m not a scientist but one of the reasons the council for responsible genetics asked me to get involved was that my knowledge in this field was well known to my life science friends there on the Harvard faculty and that’s how I got involved here. I had basic rudimentary training, actually very good training at the University of Chicago and then my professors there, professor friends at Harvard in the life sciences, I guess they vouched for me. So when I was asked to join shortly after CRG was founded in 1983, I agreed to do so and they asked me to handle their biological warfare work. I did not really get involved in their anti GMO work, they had another law professor they worked with on that. And that was fine with me because all that biological warfare work was-
Dr. Boyle: More then enough to keep me busy, although I did keep an eye on their anti GMO work and of course I fully agree. It’s interesting doctor, you might not know but Mon Santo, which Franken Foods, when I started out with my biological weapons anti terrorism act, to get it passed I had a meeting with a top official from Mon Santo, headquarters there is in Saint Louis. And I met with him to explain that the biological warfare anti terrorism act was not designed to go after GMO food. And I wanted to assure him of that because I did not want Mon Santo lobbying against me. The official from Mon Santo said, “Fine, we do not plan to get into biological warfare weapons work because this would tarnish our name brand”. You don’t want to eat Wheaties made with bio warfarelab.
Well doctor, guess what? Years later and as I speak today, Mon Santo set up a VSL4 laboratory in its corporate headquarters in Saint Louis. So breakdown the building there for where they’re GMOing your Wheaties, they are working on every type of hideous biological warfare work you could possibly imagine. That’s a true story. So Mon Santo has finally united Franken Foods with Nazi bio warfare work, so you too can have some coronavirus on your Wheaties if you want to.
Dr. Boyle: That’s correct. I mean you’re free to disagree with me, but I know of no legitimate scientific or medical reason for a BSL4 or a BSL3, none.
Dr. Boyle: Oh by the way I believe Mon Santo was working on Ebola, so you can have Ebola sprinkled on your Wheaties if you want to. But I think that needs to get out to those involved in the anti GMO food movement. And as you know now Mon Santo has been taken over by the unreconstructed Nazi’s there at Bayer. So doesn’t surprise me at all. This is what we are up against doctor.
The existing and currently held view is that this was transmitted through animals, a term that’s call zoonotic transmission, which you heartily dismissed in our last conversation. And we didn’t really go into the details, but since our conversation was a paper published in I think Nature that refuted that and one of the authors was one of the people that we’re going to be talking about who really started this and probably designed this whole virus over ten years ago.
Dr. Boyle: Well doctor I’m not going to review, we had a one hour conversation the last time, I’m not going to go through all that. But now even if you’re looking at the mainstream news media, US intelligence agencies are coming around to saying yeah we believe it leaked out of the Wuhan BSL4 lab. But I did go through with you that article published by the University of North Carolina and the Wuhan BSL4 lab virologist establishing without a doubt that this was SARS, which is a weaponized version of the coronavirus, to begin with, that was given, gained a function capabilities and the leading Wuhan scientist took it back there to that laboratory.
I also went through the scientific article where the Australian health board working with Wuhan for virologist DNA genetically engineered HIV into SARS. And they had that technology as well.
So, that is all verified in scientific papers. In addition and you and I were going to discuss this, it seems to me that they took that back to the BSL4 and they applied nano technology to it. The size of the molecules are maybe 120 microns, which indicates to me we are dealing with nano technology, which that’s what you need to do in a BSL4.
Nano technology is so dangerous, people working with it, biological weapons nano technology, you have to wear a moon suit with portable air, otherwise it will kill you.
We also know that Wuhan BSL4, one of the cooperating institutions was my dis alma mater Harvard and we also know that the chairman of the Harvard chemistry department was a specialist in nano technology, set up an entire laboratory there in Wuhan where the reports are he specialized in applying nano technology to chemistry and biology.
So my guess is, based on what I’ve read in all the literature here, that they tried to weaponize all that together. And that is COVID, what we are dealing with now. So it’s SARS, which is genetically engineered bio warfare agent to begin with, second it has gained function properties, which makes it more lethal, more infectious. It has HIV in there, that was confirmed by the Indian scientist, we’ve discussed that before and it looks like nano technology, which is why it literally travels above the air.
You have that MIT scientist who did a study and found out that it traveled 27 feet through the air. And that I guess was in lab conditions.
So that I think is why it’s so infectious and that is what I believe we are dealing with here.
I am not saying that China deliberately released this, shooting itself in the foot there. But it was clear they were developing an extremely dangerous unknown biological weapon that had never been seen before and it leaked out of the lab.
And as you see today in the Washington Post, or yesterday, US State Department Officials are already in there and award back to Washington that there were inadequate safety precautions and procedures in that lab to begin with.
And we also know that SARS has leaked out of other Chinese biological warfare labs. So right now I believe that is what happened here.
And let me conclude and then we can have your thoughts on it, but I personally believe that until our political leaders come clean with the American people, both at the White House and in congress and our state government and publicly admit that this is an extremely dangerous offensive biological warfare weapon that we are dealing with, I do not see that we will be able to deal with it, COVID, to confront it and to stop it, let alone defeat it.
Dr. Boyle: Correct.
Dr. Boyle: Correct doctor, you are perfectly correct.
Dr. Boyle: But let me just say I agree with you, that is why I said SARS was a bio engineered warfare weapon to begin with. And that is what certainly at North Carolina and also with the Australian lab, they were trying to make it even more dangerous with the gain of function and the HIV. So I agree with you 100% on that, that SARS was a biological warfare to begin with, it leaked and that is the origins of the SARS epidemic to begin with. I just wanted to say I agreed with that analysis.
Dr. Boyle: I wanted to also say that was the conclusion of the scientific article I previously discussed involving, I believe it’s the same doctor G there and the Australian Health Board, they’ve published it and it’s clear the DNA genetically engineered HIV into SARS, which is a biological warfare agent to begin with doctor, yes.
Dr. Boyle: Sure, the amerithrax attack, that was nano technology there. You had a trillion scores per grams on americthrax. And just like COVID, it floated through the air. And I was able to determine another professor of chemistry spoke working on nano technology, who was also working at the Pentagon at the same time.
So I think it was amerithrax and nano technology was behind amerithrax. I think there’s a very high likelihood that nano technology was involved here, which again is why the six feet by the CDC will get you killed, it’s preposterous. Even doubling that will do you no good. If there is nano technology, it floats on the air.
I believe that is what accounts for the 27 feet by the MIT scientists here, that we ‘re seeing nano technology that it travels on top of the air and air currents. That’s what I believe is going on. That’s my educated guess here doctor, I’m trying to put two plus two together. Plus the notion, the cover story here that Harvard didn’t know what was going on is preposterous.
I spent seven years at Harvard, I have three degrees from Harvard, I spent two years teaching at Harvard. Of course Harvard knew that its chair of the chemistry department had this lab in Wuhan, China where he was working on nano technology with respect to chemical and biological materials. That’s been reported, they didn’t say what the materials were. And in addition it has now been reported that Harvard was a cooperating institution with the Wuhan BSL4.So that’s my conclusion doctor.
Dr. Boyle: And there is a fourth element here that at the University of North Carolina, they gave the SARS gain function properties as well.
Dr. Boyle: I think they took the SARS and that’s undeniable, they gave it gain of function. So I would say there are at least four elements.
Dr. Boyle: Well it was apparently there at UNC they took the SARS and made it more lethal and more infectious, but they couldn’t have used nano technology in a BSL3, it would’ve killed them.
Dr. Boyle: They took those three elements and then at the Wuhan BSL4 they applied nano technology to it. That’s my educated guess as to what happened.
Dr. Boyle: Well doctor one point here though, we’re having a dialogue which is that UNC work was existentially dangerous and they knew it at the time. If you read the UNC scientific article with the Wuhan BSL4 scientist on there, let me repeat it says, “Experiments with the full length and cameric HSHC014 recombinant viruses”, so it says recombinant, “were initiated and performed prior to the gain of function research funding cause”.
So they admit it was gain a function, it was paused by NIH. Why was it paused by NIH?Because there was a circular letter put out by large numbers of life scientists at the time saying this type of gain of function work that first originated out of that Erasmus University, it was first reported, could be existentially dangerous if it got out in the public. And therefore it had to be terminated and stopped.
So they knew and then let me continue then with the language, “And have since been reviewed”. So yes they were aware that this type of work that they were doing was existentially dangerous. Have since been reviewed and approved, so they knew it was existentially dangerous, it was then re approved for continued study by the national institutes of health. The national institutes of health was funding this in the beginning.
Dr. Boyle: They funded it from the beginning, that’s acknowledged.
Dr. Boyle: My understanding, I did read the letter to University of North Carolina and it was basically saying you have to stop the funding now.
Dr. Boyle: But then it was re authorized. So I don’t believe they gave them additional money. I haven’t seen that. Although the other interesting thing, a footnote here doctor, I read the NIH pause letter to UNC and there were two gain of function research projects UNC was doing.
The other one was with this Doctor Kowakowa, from the University of Wisconsin who had resurrected the Spanish flu virus for the Pentagon. And he, according to the pause letter, was also there doing gain of function work on the flu virus, one could only conclude it was the Spanish flu virus. It did not say the Spanish flu, but they also put a gain of function pause on that type of deadly research too to give you an example of how dangerous itis.
I mean we have the Spanish flu and we all know what that is, so imagine giving the Spanish flu gain a function properties, making it even more lethal and more infectious. That’s exactly what was going on there at that UNC lab and I suspect the pause on Kowakowa’s work was lifted too. I haven’t read that, I haven’t gotten that far.
So this was, I would say again, existentially dangerous work that was going on at that UNC (University of North Carolina) lab, everyone knew it, NIH (National Institutes of Health)funded it, NIAID (National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases)under Doctor Anthony Faucifunded it as well. They knew exactly how dangerous this was, they paused it and then they resumed it.
Dr. Boyle: Well sure doctor, the problem is that all these, I don’t mean any disrespect to scientists, as you know, at Harvard MIT I worked with world class life scientists. My teacher population biology Richard C Louington, the number one professor population biology in the world. Alexander Agassi’s research professor of biology and zoology now a meritas. George Wolf, the Nobel prize winner in biology at Harvard. Good friends with him. No longer with us, unfortunately. Ruth Hubbard, his wife and the first tenured professor of biology female at Harvard and a leading force against bio piracy. I mean no disrespect.
But that being said, these so called prestigious scientific journals, either are slip shot or bought off by ads put in there by the drug industry or something like that. Just to give you one example doctor and that is I was the one who publicly blew the whistle on the fact that the black west African Ebola pandemic came out of the US governments BSL4 lab in Sierra Leone. That went all over the internet, this that and the other thing. So all of a sudden in reaction to me in an attempt to discredit me, there came out an article in the American Association for the Advancement of Science publication Science. I’m sure you’re familiar with that.
And this article was produced by a researcher, scientist, at the Harvard MIT abroad institute. Apparently a distinguished institute, this that and the other thing, saying, “Oh no, Boyle is wrong. What really happened here, I did a genetic sequencing on bats and what happened was bats hopped, they jumped all the way over from east Africa to West Africa. And that really proves what happened here”.
Now by the way, Harvard MIT abroad was also involved in that US BSL4 in Sierra Leone, along with Tulane University and Fort Dietrich, as well as US AID and CDC. So I was asked to comment on this article that was published in a science magazine by Harvard MIT abroad. And I regret to say that these reviewers just get buffaloed about names. Now in the case of me it was obvious the conflict of interest. So I sat down on a Saturday morning and understand this article was reviewed, obviously by the editor in chief of Science magazine and two outside independent reviewers, that’s the way scholarship gets done as you know and all scholarly journals, they all signed off on it.
So I sat down here in my bedroom on a Saturday morning wearing my PJ’s reclining in bed, sipping some gourmet coffee and I demolished it in seven minutes because in a footnote she had completely made up statistics out of thin air. And it was very clear the whole thing was a set up.
Well that was the end of that. So, I regret to report that you have a lot of so called scientific articles that basically are junk science that make their way even through prestigious publications like Nature and science magazine that I’ve dealt with. Yes. That’s been my experience. But in this case, in the Ebola case, there you had Harvard MIT abroad, so oh Harvard, MIT, be careful, roll back. Hey I have three degrees from Harvard, Harvard doesn’t impress me. And spent two years teaching there. So I did roll over and play dead. But in this case, she was right there. That should’ve been rejected immediately by their editor in chief, let alone by their two outside scientists doing peer reviews. Someone should’ve said, “Hey, she’s up to her eyeballs in this, how can we possibly accept anything?”.
Dr. Mercola: Yeah, conflict of interest.
Dr. Boyle: Of course.
Dr. Boyle: I mean doctor does that make sense to you?
Dr. Boyle: Well could’ve been doctor that whoever they sent it out for peer review were also taking dirty money-
Dr. Boyle: Biological warfare work along these lines and they approved it. Although I don’t know, what about the editor in chief there at Nature? That’s the problem as I see it. But it could’ve been a set up that this was put in there for that reason and the reviewers were hand picked for that purpose. I don’t know. You don’t know who outside reviewers are.
Dr. Mercola: All right well let me give an update of where we currently are with the pandemic. We are recording this interview on April 15th. At this point it’s infected more then two million people in the world, although the basis for that claim is somewhat suspicious because of the testing methods they’re using. But that’s what the reports are at this point. And of that, I believe there’s 200,000 people who have died from that.
They already have hypertension, they have diabetes, they’re obese, they’re at risk for developing disease, or they’re elderly, they’re impaired. Most of the people who died, 80% of the people in China who died from this were over 60 and 70, over 70, 80% over 70 in Italy. So this is taking out, it’s like calling the herd in some ways but it’s not taking out 3% of the world population, it’s not taking out half the world population, which would be an appropriate response, the government response, if it was.
Dr. Boyle: Well doctor let me say this-
Dr. Boyle: Oh sure, I wanted to hear what you had to say. Certainly I believe that governments, including our own, are piggy backing on COVID to promote their own agendas of totalitarian control. I agree 100% with that. However, I do respectfully disagree with the lethality here. Those statistics that you sited are completely unreliable. SARS was reported to have a 15% lethality rate at the end of the day, 15%. And we’ve already agreed that basically we are dealing here with turbo charged SARS. So I have previously estimated that it’s a minimum of 15%, it could go up, someone did a disaggregation of Chinese figures and came up with 16%. A British health, public health person, ran a computer model, he figured 18%. But let’s take a minimum of 15% lethality here and I think it’s more because we’ve got, it’s turbo charged-
Dr. Mercola: There’s an enormous amount of wealth of data out there, recent publications, the data you’re citing is from early in the epidemic, that show it’s well under 1%. I’ve listened to many, more then ten infectious disease experts that clearly acknowledge that the lethality is less then 1%. It’s not much-
Dr. Boyle: Italy is reported to be at least 12% and figures that are even in Italy, even in New York Times admitted, that they have deliberately under counted the 12% in Italy because that 12% is only considering people who died in hospitals and is not considering people who died in nursing homes or at home or in hospices or anything like that. And Lancet did estimate 15%. So I think, with all due respect to you, we are seeing figures put out there that grossly underestimate the lethality of what we’re dealing with. As for figures from China, we can’t believe anything from China.
Dr. Boyle: They’ve been lying on this from the get go, I think 15% sounds about right to me. And even the figures here, the New York Times today reported that even the figures in New York are only people who died in the hospital, they are not counting people who died in nursing homes or at home or in hospices. So again, I think the lethality rate that we are being told, I think is deliberately being underestimated.
Dr. Boyle: There have now been studies saying that could be off by a figure of anywhere from ten times, a hundred times, we have no idea.
Dr. Boyle: Well doctor all I can say is that there is a scholarly book on SARS lethality.
Dr. Boyle: That was published in 2003. Agents of bio terrorism by a professor of microbiology Zoobey at Columbia. They, in retrospect, looked at SARS lethality, after it was all over, taking into account all the statistics, I have the book here, and they flat out said SARS lethality was 15%. So I believe that is what we’re dealing with now, at minimum, a base of 15%.
Dr. Boyle: Well today we’ve lost 30,000 and that’s a gross underestimate because that’s not including nursing homes or hospice or people just dying at home.
Dr. Boyle: Right but they’re doing that on purpose. The figure there from the rationing down to 130,000, or to 100,000 the University of Washington, that was all funded by Bill Gates. So you please tell me how reliable any of that is.
Dr. Boyle: Sure, he funded it. He funded that figure. I haven’t read the whole study but when I saw it was funded by Bill Gates, I just figured it fit into his agenda. But again-
Dr. Boyle: What I am saying though is that this study, agents of bio terrorism, Columbia University Press, when they had all the figures in on SARS, concluded it had a 15% lethality rate.
Dr. Boyle: I think it was the SARS COV2, yeah.
Dr. Boyle: Well this is all over for SARS. But again, so I think we have to be very careful of looking at any of these studies, but I think the 15% is the best we have to go on for SARS. But-
Dr. Boyle: Doctor, I again respectfully disagree with you on that. They say it’s waning, but it’s not going anywhere. Large numbers of people are still dying. And it does not appear it really is under control, especially if you’re listening to any of the doctors and nurses as to what is going on. Second, I would say it is clear when President Trump said he wanted to re open the country for business, then all of a sudden we get these studies saying oh don’t worry about it, it’s only 100,000. And by the way, that University of Washington people, they’re now working on Trump’s committee to re open the United States for business.
So in my assessment what is going on here is that the plutocrats who run this country and by the way Trump just mentioned who they all are on his committee, they’re more then happy to come up with some justification or excuse to send out blue collar, white collar, rural whatever, out there back into an extremely dangerous environment and coming up with whatever statistics they want to justify it.
Dr. Mercola: So-
Dr. Boyle: Well doctor, again with all due respect, there is no evidence so far that if you’re exposed and then you develop antibodies that you can’t be reinfected. As a matter of fact, these cases have already been reported in South Korea that people who were exposed, got over it, came out and it came back. And the second time it came back it was even more dangerous then the first time. So there’s no evidence to believe that immunity is going to work. I would agree with you, immunity would work say on measles or mumps or something like that. But again doctor, we are dealing-
Dr. Boyle: Right, we are dealing here with DNA genetically engineered-
Dr. Boyle: Virus that we have never seen before and there is no evidence that even if you develop antibodies after the first infection, it’s going to make a hill of beans difference the next time along the way. We have no evidence to that effect so far, I haven’t seen-
Dr. Boyle: Studies are to the contrary and that comes out of South Korea.
Dr. Boyle: As a matter of fact, if you read that UNC article, it says exactly it was dealing with synthetic molecules. It’s in there in the footnotes. And in my biological weapons anti terrorism act of 1989, I specifically criminalized, by that name, synthetic molecules. Yes. And that is why at the first, the whole synthetic biology movement, science, was set up by the Pentagons DARPA. They funded the whole thing. And it’s DARPA money that is behind synthetic biology, gene drive, all the rest of it. And that is why at the first convention of synthetic biologists, in their final report one of their key recommendations was the repeal of my biological weapons anti terrorism act because they fully intended to use synthetic biology to manufacture biological weapons. And that was used at that UNC study that is also part of COVID, yes.
Dr. Boyle: Sure. I agree that the law still applies. It provides for life imprisonment for everyone who has done this. I resisted pressure from the department of justice with the death penalty in there because I’m opposed to the death penalty for any reason.
But all these so called scientists involved at the University of North Carolina and every one who funded this project knowing that it was existentially dangerous and that includes Nia, Fochi, NIH, and then if you take a look at who were the scientists there, not only was it UNC, Food and Drug Administration, they are now pushing vaccines and opening up the country, someone from Sports Institute of Microbiology, I’m not familiar with them.
And then what does it say? The Dana Harvard Cancer Institute at Harvard. Harvard was involved in that UNC Wuhan four SARS data function work. It’s right there.
So of course Harvard knew what was going on out there at the Wuhan BSL4. They were a cooperating institution. And this is also since WHO is in the media, it came out that this is a WHO designated research lab. So ask yourself why was WHO designating an approved BSL4 lab? They knew full well that this lab was-
Dr. Boyle: That’s correct. 8% of their budget, right.
Dr. Boyle: There are two ways. First, you’re going to have to pressure the Department of Justice there to prosecute these people, under bar. That might be very difficult to do. Federal statutes require indictments to be brought by US attorneys. However, just with respect to North Carolina, state law applies there too. And I haven’t research North Carolina law, however I was originally hired here to teach criminal law and I taught it for seven or eight years.
Dr. Boyle: Right, college of law. It’s a law school. And to have criminal intent, one of the variants of criminal intent is the demonstration of grave indifference to human life. And that is the criminal intent necessary for homicide. So in my opinion, and my advice would be, if we can’t get Barr to sign off on prosecuting these people, that the district attorney, states attorney, attorney general out there in North Carolina institute and indict everyone involved in this North Carolina work for homicide.
And that could include up to including murder, malice of forethought. Again one of the elements can be manifestation of grave indifference to human life. And it’s clear from this article, they knew it was gain of function, they paused it because it was existentially dangerous, it was then re approved and they continued it.
So I think a good case could be made, certainly for indicting these people under North Carolina law by North Carolina legal authorities, if the federal government is not going to do it for us, under my law. But again I want to make it clear, I haven’t researched North Carolina law.
Dr. Boyle: It’s all about funds, right.
Dr. Boyle: That is why I said it in our last dialogue, we immediately must shut down all these BSL3’s and BSL4’s. They are all existentially dangerous. It can happen again. And indeed if you have a look at that Nadler and Cohen documentary Anthrax War, I think it was about 2003, and it was about the dangers of BSL3’s and 4’s, I was a consultant on there, I’m repeatedly in there. And at the end of the documentary they have me saying this is a catastrophe waiting to happen. And it is now happened, here we are, it’s staring us in the face doctor.
Dr. Boyle: Well okay doctor, I think we’ve covered all the ground.
Dr. Boyle: I think we’ve agreed on a lot of things, perhaps we’ve respectfully disagreed on some things.
Dr. Boyle: No. It wouldn’t. And it wouldn’t be useful if we agreed on everything sure.
Dr. Boyle: Was to have a dialogue.
Dr. Mercola: We may be connecting with you in the future to follow up on the prosecution for that treaty that you got enacted.
Dr. Boyle: I tried to get the word out, I’ve recommend that the governor out there or even the mayor of Chapel Hill should send either state troopers or police out there and shut down that lab and seal it off as a crime scene, sure. That should be done. But thank you doctor, I have to go. I do appreciate the dialogue we had today. It was I thought very productive. Thank you.
Dr. Boyle: Sure, bye.
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